The Shift Away From Social CRM to Social Business to Maybe Just ‘Business’

The Shift Away From Social CRM to Social Business to Maybe Just ‘Business’

A few weeks ago, I wrote a post about the need for new thought leadership in the social CRM space. I wasn’t trying to pick a fight but I do feel strongly that it’s a legitimate issue to discuss.  Reason being, I talk to many people on the enterprise side of the business i.e. clients, friends on Twitter and colleagues that I used to work with at HP and Intel; and the consensus is that while there is a lot of good theory being shared by super smart people, nothing is quite actionable.

It’s very easy to talk about technology, big data, CRM platforms, cloud computing and all that good stuff. But I believe that its time to peel back the onion and start digging a little deeper.

Here are some key questions we should start to explore broken down by the familiar People, Process & Technology:

(1) People: Who is responsible internally to execute and plan a social CRM program? Is it support, a community manager, marketing and sales? What if an agency is managing a brand’s social channels? How does that work? What kind of reporting is needed to determine success? Who is responsible for analytics? How do you navigate within an organization that is plagued with organizational silos (hate that word, but they still do exist)?  What are the best practices to achieve buy in from other departments i.e. support, IT, operations, etc.? What’s in it for these groups to a) participate b) invest budget into a social CRM program c) invest time and resources supporting cross functional teams and d) hire the right staff to do the job. Who owns the customer experience? Is an owner even needed? How do you get “buy in” from executive management? More importantly, how do get executive management to begin to change their behaviors instead of just talking about it?

(2) Process: What kind of processes are needed to create and manage workflow? How do I create a customer support decision tree? What about sales?  Is there an opportunity to leverage social CRM best practices for sales reps? If so, what’s the process for them to get involved? Should there be a training program? If so, what does the curriculum entail? What about crisis management? Whose responsibility is it to create, manage and execute a crisis management protocol when the time arises? Who is responsible for gathering all the data, analyzing it, and then extracting “actionable” insights for the organization? And more importantly, what is the process to ensure that those insights are executed in order to close the loop?

(3) Technology:  There are many different vendors in the space, what’s the best technology for monitoring the conversation? What about engagement (yes, engagement is important to social CRM)?  Is one, integrated tool more effective or are multiple tools okay to get the job done?  What are best practices for integrating the traditional CRM platform with today’s tools?  What about a real time command center? Is that important and how does that work? Is that an operation that needs to be manned 24/7? What about IT? Should they be involved in this process? Who should pay for all this technology?

These are many questions that I hear from clients and people in the space. Not just the decision makers but the folks on the front lines who are managing and engaging in customer relationships day in and day out, usually community managers. And by the way, many of these community managers are jumping head first into these issues – learning, sometimes making mistakes, adjusting their approach, etc. They are engaging, yes engaging; creating workflows, managing vendors and working with traditional CRM systems, managing analytics and more importantly many of them are drivers of change in the organization.

Perhaps its time to move beyond social CRM as a topic or phrase.

And as I think more about it, all of the questions above latter up to something much bigger – something more than just customer experience, technology, CRM and community. It really is the shift and transformation to a social business. Even in this podcast hosted by social CRM expert Brent Leary along with Paul Greenberg and Esteban Kolsky, he refers to social business to frame the conversation. And, it’s probably not a coincidence that the Social Business Strategy Summit is featuring mostly speakers from the CRM space. I am certain we will see a lot more of this in the future.

It’s no argument that social CRM is ONE component of the customer & technology ecosystem.  It’s ONE piece of the puzzle that organizations need to put together in order to change the way they communicate and engage with employees, partners, customers and even the media.  It’s just ONE attribute and proficiency needed to help companies evolve into a social organization. Perhaps its time we move beyond social CRM and focus on the bigger picture.

And much like social media was in the early days when it was an after thought in most marketing organizations, research and experience proves that it’s now an integral part of most marketing budgets, initiatives and strategic imperatives.

I believe the same will happen with social business. Social business initiatives will soon be generally accepted business practices like Six Sigma, GAAP, ISO 9000, BPM, TQM, etc. It’s just a matter of time.

What do you think? Is this blasphemy?

About Michael Brito

Michael Brito is a Senior Vice President of Social Business Planning at Edelman Digital. He helps his clients transform their organizations to be more open, collaborative and socially proficient; with the end result of creating shared value with employees, partners and customers. Prior to Edelman, Michael worked for Intel and Hewlett Packard in various social media marketing roles. Opinions posted here are his own.

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  • http://dannybrown.me Danny Brown

    Hey there Michael,

    Interesting stuff mate. While I can see the reasoning behind it (and, to a big point, agree), the problem, I guess, is that managers and execs are still geared toward certain terminology. For now, that happens to be CRM (whether social CRM or otherwise).

    It could be worse – we could be looking at Klout CRM… ;-)

    In all seriousness, though, there probably will be a time when we need to define exactly what the terminology is that everyone can get (yes, even the suits that prefer the terms currently being used).

    Of course, I could be biased as we have a blog dedicated to Social CRM… ;-)

  • http://www.britopian.com Michael Brito

    Danny,

    Thank you for the kind note and shares on G+ & Twitter. I agree with you about the terminology but I think its up to folks from Altimeter, Gartner, people like us, as well the social CRM industry influencers to help educate business leaders.
    If we just focus on Social CRM as a term, I feel like we are siloing the conversation. And if one of the goals of social business is to drive enterprise collaboration and help tear down silos, we will just be digging ourselves down a hole.
    This, of course, is just my opinion and can certainly be swayed otherwise.
    Thanks again sir.

  • http://www.igo2group.com/ Will B

    Michael

    Thought provoking post as always. I can’t help but agree that moving the conversation beyond Social CRM might just be what’s needed to get the ‘suits’ and others thinking beyond the boundaries of what they traditionally relate to CRM. And I agree that the analysts have yet to really ‘nail’ Social CRM – if you examine the lists of vendors in analysts reports many are not full Social CRM at all. Making the comparisons impossible. 
    If we can agree that social business is about weaving the principles of ‘social’ into everything we do at an organisation from the inside out; and that it must involve all people in that organisation’s ecosystem co creating value – then Social CRM is only a part of a Social Business Platform. That platform may include CRM, ERP, Billing, HCM, Analytics, Monitoring, Management and so on – it has to support more than what CRM technologies are aimed at.  
    So in essence I believe you are spot on. And it will become accepted as we move to just  ’Business’ from ‘Social Business’ that technology might move from a Social Business Platform to a Business Platform. In the same way that becoming a social business requires breaking down the organisational barriers; perhaps the technology discussion needs to follow the same path?

  • http://www.britopian.com Michael Brito

    Will,

    Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I certainly don’t want to alienate or exclude social CRM vendors, analysts and consultant because they are necessary to help evolve the conversation.
    Yes, technology vendors need to move beyond CRM as well. IBM, Jive and Lithium have certainly made this move.
    Michael

  • Paul Greenberg

    Hi Michael, Just briefly I don’t think any of the Social CRM influencers would think of of Social CRM as anything more than the customer facing facets of social business. The conference you’re referring to in London (which one of my businesses is co-hosting) has a Social CRM and an internal collaboration track and the theme is convergence of the two. Its an evolutionary process.   The two areas emerged separately, now businesses that re smart enough to understand either are seeing both as a necessarily integrated capability as they evolve, but like anything else, it takes time to get there. AND while some of the responsibilities of traditional departments like sales, marketing and customers service (the three “pillars” of CRM are being to overlap (e.g. customer service reps upselling; sales reps operating as customer service reps for specific accounts; alignment of sales and marketing objectives; and recognition that when developing processes for a business, the impact the customer has on the process and the process has on the customer, even if its a back office process, has to be taken into account – just a few examples of many), the departments aren’t going away anytime soon. So the departments will continue to exist as we break down siloed thinking and siloed interests and get closer to the new social business model which is customer company collaboration (which has a myriad of meanings and levels) at its best. Personally, I wouldn’t call it a shift away from Social CRM to social business, but a shift toward an integrated view of social business. Social CRM and internal collaboration converged is social business but neither is going away separately at any time soon. The reality is that the functions they serve are still necessary business functions and they each have their reason for existence. What we’re figuring out now is how to integrate them (purpose of the conference for example is that) so that we can execute on the new business models and extend our capabilities when it comes to engaging our customers and empowering our employees. 

  • http://paulgailey.com/ Paul Gailey

    +1 on the sentiment here, I look forward to when we hear the term “offline marketing”. I don’t mean to sound flippant but I’ve never been a fan of “online marketing” as a term either.

  • http://keithprivette.com/ @keithprivette

    Michael I agree with this approach and questioning 100%.  It seems this line of questioning is not just isolated to Social Business or Social CRM constructs.  I see this a lot in the ALM (application lifecycle management) space also.  Usually goes along the lines of we have this tool start using it based on the user manual…uh? what? No you need to plan, strategize, set expected results, and bake the people and process into the tool.  Without that you get a jumbled mess..another e.g. of this can be applied to sharepoint usage.  Look at what happens with no strategy, ownership, management, and establishment of a process on how the business will use it = Jumbled UnOrganized Mess. Then what comes next “well it is on sharepoint!”  To operate ones business you have more and more cost effective, closeness past the firewall, and productive ways of doing it. But without strong leadership, skilled professionals to execute it and train it, and strategy your business is probably not executing as a business as well as it could!

  • Anonymous

    Honestly Michael.. The questions you raise above in the ‘old school’ (pun intended :D ) categorization are of a truly practical nature. Most of them are really not even about Social CRM, but about how to run a project or implement a new tool/system/approach etc.. They are (mainly) asking questions on how to get things done..

    The people asking these questions have every right to do so and they should ask these questions, but probably not direct them at you (or your employer, nor myself, for that matter). All they need is some good project management training, or general management / HR etc training.. For the (Social) Tech related stuff they can visit any conference in relation to their specific area of responsibility, and they will understand what’s on the market too. If they want some (good) advice on tooling they probably should turn to some of the analyst firms or independent ones out there, their internal procurement and/or IT departments etc.. Really, all just daily business practice. Nothing new and fancy, and more specifically:

    Nothing that needs THOUGHT leadership…

    Thought leadership is what one needs to understand where new developments are headed, how to interpret things that are happening and how they relate to what we already know.. Thought leaders help you develop your own thoughts on the bases of which you can design your own next practice. And the good ones can help you addressing your first steps into the new direction. But don’t expect them to lay it all out in detail in public. You should hire (and pay!!) a consultant to do that ;)

    And it helps if you have some decent experience or background in the specific area of expertise that you are designing the new practice for. But that’s another problem with many Social (Media) CRM/Business related projects..

    Oh.. and last but not least: the Social CRM/Business practice is in it’s infancy. People should not expect answers on questions like: “What are best practices for integrating the traditional CRM platform with today’s tools?” The answer to that one is at least 3 to 5 (if not 10) years out..

    Wim Rampen
    ‘Old School’ Service/Sales/Marketing practitioner

  • http://www.britopian.com Michael Brito

    Wim,

    I have to disagree with you on a few points and agree on others. First, this has nothing ‘really’ to do with project management training. Of course, that’s a good skill to have. But the landscape is changing fast .. And in my opinion, the community managers, who are on the front lines (using the tools, developing the processes, engaging with customers) are doing more than just “social media” marketing. Is that not social CRM? If not, please help me understand it more effectively. See my response to Mitch’s post that he wrote to me. There needs to be “some” level of sharing in this space and hiring a consultant isn’t always the best answer.
    I agree that we are in its infancy but again, there are realtime use cases that we need to learn from. Would you not agree?
    Thanks for the comment and apologize for taking so long to get back to you.
    Brito

  • http://www.britopian.com Michael Brito

    Thank you Paul! Me neither. How about Internet marketing? Haha..

  • http://www.britopian.com Michael Brito

    Paul — again, thanks for your comment here. If I could sum up my thought process, it would be this and I wonder if you would agree.
    In my mind, any organization looking to deploy a robust social CRM initiative would need to transform their technology platforms, evolve their processes and more importantly change their work behaviors in order to do this successfully, no?
    By still having social CRM conversations, are we not giving birth to the very silos that we are trying to help our clients tear down?

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    Michael Brito
    SVP, Social Business Planning
    Edelman Digital | San Francisco
    415.871.5165
    @Britopian

  • Paul Greenberg

    what silos would that be?

  • http://www.britopian.com Michael Brito

    The ones that exist between just about every internal team and job function – IT, Support, Marketing .. Etc. I just think that we need to broaden the conversation.
    When we talk social CRM .. support/IT and marketing people’s ear perk up. But then we lose HR, OD, Finance and other business leaders.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chen.lavonia Chen Lavonia

    if you examine the lists of vendors in analysts reports many are not full Social CRM at all. Making the comparisons impossible.