It’s the content of conversations that really matter

May 16, 2008 Michael Brito

The other day, I was involved in a rather heated, yet enlightening discussion with a dude who really hates marketing; and I don’t blame him. Here is an excerpt of one of his comments:

Yes, consumers want to be heard. They also want the option to NOT be annoyed by marketing. They want the option of not having to put up with marketers exploiting a medium meant for communication and turning it into one more TV commercial. Consumers should not have to spend time and effort to block marketers. Consumers do want a choice - given their druthers, most would choose to have no marketing at all.

He was responding to a comment I made about consumers demanding to be heard online; and even as a marketer, I unequivocally agree with his assessment. In later comments, he said that he was tired of marketers like me just “talking about having conversations with consumers” and that there is way too much “talking about talking” and very little two-way communication. I agree.

A lot of marketers, including myself, talk the talk and rarely walk the walk. I often write about the need for marketers and brands to engage in “real” conversations with “real people” i.e. their customers; and I am sitting back asking myself … what in the heck I am doing to talk to my customers?

It’s one thing to write about conversational marketing (and I know that some of you hate that term); but it’s another thing to actually do it. And, I agree that many marketers still don’t “get it”; and either don’t use social media as a conversational channel or use it to spam the heck out of everyone. But there are some companies that realize the true value of conversations (Intel, Lego, Starbucks, Dell) and they are doing a really good job at it. Why? Well, that leads me to my next point.

Are conversations really the holy grail of social media?

I think I may have been wrong with this one. Anyone can have conversations. Go to a used car lot and you will be bombarded with them the moment you step on the lot.

Maybe it’s the content of the conversation that is the core. Perhaps it needs to be presented with a “real voice” and relevant to the other person. Isn’t that the true nature of human interaction?

Real voice, relevance = valuable conversations = trust = the beginning of a “real” relationship

Reflecting on my own personal experience … when my wife and I first met, our initial conversations didn’t revolve around sports, video games or politics. We talked in depth about our past experiences, lifetime goals and achievements; and relationship expectations. These topics were important and relevant to both of us; especially since we were getting to know each other. And, as the relationship blossomed and now that we are married, we talk about anything and everything. And, our conversations are still relevant because of that relationship; even though my wife doesn’t really like sports, video games and politics.

The point is that marketers need to take off their marketing hats for a second; and presents themselves as real people with real emotions and real perspectives. This level of authenticity will not only help make their jobs easier, but it will also help consumers relate to them more effectively.

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Comment by Josh BancroftNo Gravatar Subscribed to comments via email

May 16th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

I think you mean "talk the talk, but don't walk the walk".

And I agree with you.

 
Comment by Michael BritoNo Gravatar

May 16th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

thanks Josh...

fixed.

 
Comment by Rachel LuxemburgNo Gravatar

May 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am

Great post.

This is an issue I've thought a lot about, and I think part of the disconnect comes from the fact that it is incredibly hard to scale "being real". The Dunbar number will change from individual to individual, but even the most hyper-connected will hit it eventually.

The implications for conversational marketing are significant.

 
Comment by Web Success DivaNo Gravatar

May 19th, 2008 at 8:58 am

"The point is that marketers need to take off their marketing hats for a second; and presents themselves as real people with real emotions and real perspectives. This level of authenticity will not only help make their jobs easier, but it will also help consumers relate to them more effectively."

-- This is an insightful message that too many marketers just don't get yet. The real value is in the conversations you have and how you have them. Great points!

Maria Reyes-McDavis

 
Comment by Melanie PhungNo Gravatar

May 19th, 2008 at 9:14 am

Thumbs up to the comment "it is incredibly hard to scale "being real"

I think there's something to that. If marketers are concerned with the "scalability" of being real (or can we call it "being sincere"?) then I think they're still stuck in the wrong mind set. Being real is being real - it doesn't have to be scaled, no?

 
Comment by Michael BritoNo Gravatar

May 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

@ Rachel and Melanie,

While it may be difficult to scale "being real"; it’s probably easier to scale “community”. And, I think that’s one reason why many companies today are hiring community managers. The community managers will hopefully “be real” when they engage with their respective communities.

 
Comment by Michael BritoNo Gravatar

May 19th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Hi Maria - thank you for the comment.

; )

 
Comment by Rachel LuxemburgNo Gravatar

May 19th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

The scaling issue is one I have to think about a lot right now, as that's precisely what I've just been hired to do. I'm a newly-minted community manager serving a growing number of worldwide user groups. Systems and methods of communication that worked fine with a small number of groups start to break down as the numbers increase. Solving that issue is going to be a very big indicator of my success in this role.

 

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